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MLA • Dec 02, 2022

An Interview with Writer and Musician John Hammond:

Legendary Blues Musician John Hammond talks about Muscle Shoals and meeting Duane Allman

Photo by Jim Marshall

 

By Mark Hooten 2022



This interview was recorded in the summer of 2000 and sat on the shelf for more than 22 years before being re-discovered and transcribed to share with music fans everywhere. John Hammond is such a remarkable talent and was happy to share more stories of his friend Duane Allman.


At age 80 today, he’s recorded more than 40 albums produced by some of the industry’s biggest heavyweights including Tom Waits, J. J. Cale and David Hidalgo of Los Lobos. He’s shared bills with Howlin’ Wolf, Jimmy Reed and John Lee Hooker.


John Hammond’s legacy is one of the most unique and star-studded in all of blues. The son of one of the Vanderbilts, he grew up in New York prep schools, but in a career that spans more than 50 years, he’s headlined over Bob Dylan, featured Jimi Hendrix in one of his bands, and borrowed Michael Bloomfield’s band for gigs in Boston, Philadelphia, and New York. And hanging out with Brian Jones and Eric Clapton and John Mayall and all the British counterparts was not unusual. A recording session in Muscle Shoals brought him in contact with another legendary figure that would soon develop into a close friendship and save the recording session. That friend was Duane Allman.

 

Interview:

 

When was the first time that you met Duane Allman and what was that experience like?

 

Well, I was recording for Atlantic in Muscle Shoals Alabama. It was being produced by Marlin Green. The band was the guys who recorded behind Pickett and Aretha and all the crew. It was Eddie Hinton, Jimmy Johnson, David Hood, Roger Hawkins, the crew. And it had been going for about three days and we had cut some stuff, but I wasn't really feeling like they understood where I was coming from, you know. I was doing some Howling Wolf tunes and Muddy tunes. And they were doing their version of the songs not really taking my side of it somehow. I don't know how to explain that. But on the third day arrived this old milk truck with Duane Allman and Barry Oakley. And they drove from Macon to be there. And because Duane wanted to meet this John Hammond guy because he had a recording of mine. 

Muscle Shoals rhythm section

Well, I was recording for Atlantic in Muscle Shoals Alabama. It was being produced by Marlin Green. The band was the guys who recorded behind Pickett and Aretha and all the crew. It was Eddie Hinton, Jimmy Johnson, David Hood, Roger Hawkins, the crew. And it had been going for about three days and we had cut some stuff, but I wasn't really feeling like they understood where I was coming from, you know. I was doing some Howling Wolf tunes and Muddy tunes. And they were doing their version of the songs not really taking my side of it somehow. I don't know how to explain that. But on the third day arrived this old milk truck with Duane Allman and Barry Oakley. And they drove from Macon to be there. And because Duane wanted to meet this John Hammond guy because he had a recording of mine.


And all of a sudden everybody said, “Hey Duane, how are you doing man” … They admired him so much. And I had never heard of him, so I didn't know anything. And all of a sudden, he said, “Man I'd love to play on your record”. And I said, okay. 


Was your first impression, who is this guy to ask me to play on my record? 


Well, he was hard to miss. I mean he was in your face. And I remember he had a gray t-shirt on that said City Slickers on it. And he was right out there. And he played great. And that was all it took. And he just blew everybody's mind. And then all of a sudden, the band understood exactly what I meant for the last three days, he was just a catalyst, he brought it all together. We became friends immediately. 

What was Duane Like as a Person and as a Guitar Player?

 

Well, he seemed like a really nice cat and he could really play his instrument and impressed the shit out of me. He just had his guitar when he came in. I guess they had all the amps and other stuff there he needed. He had recorded in that studio before so I guess he knew all of their stuff. He had a Les Paul and he had a coricidin bottle. And that was all it took. And he really just blew everybody's mind. Duane was very intense.

 

I think he wanted to meet me more than anything else. And we did all of that and became, you know friends... It was just a mutual thing. I just thought he was unbelievable. I had not ever heard anyone play slide like that.

John Hammond

Were Your and Duane’s Motivations in Music Similar?


Oh I think it came from the same place. I mean we both loved the music and felt compelled to play. I don’t believe it was fame and fortune for either of us. I think he just wanted to get his stuff out there.  When I first met him, it was before the Allman Brothers. So about a year later I was on a show with him in St. Paul, Minnesota. And we got to hang out again. It was 35 below zero out there. It was nuts. And we hung out all night at this venue until we had to leave. He didn't know how to play in the open tunings. So he made me play the stuff for him. The older Robert Johnson, Willie McTell style, the country blues stuff. And he got right into that immediately. 


I have heard a lot about the All-Night Jam Sessions with You and Duane, Can You Tell Us More about Those?


Oh, we've had many, many a jam. But when I toured with them, as soon as the gig was over, we'd be in the hotel room just hanging out playing tunes. He said to me one time, “Man would you play that Taj Mahal tune for me, Statesboro Blues” And I said to him, okay Duane, well here's the history here. Taj Mahal may have sung the song but it's not his song. Willie McTell wrote it. He said, oh what? So I played him the Willie McTell version of it and he flipped out. So he was really eager to learn as much as he could just to soak it in. He didn't need much time.


He was way ahead of me. He admired what I did. So I took that on at face value. I mean he respected me and that was great but in terms of his star rising, he was there. That band hit so hard so fast and they were really successful from the beginning. I think because of Duane and Greg, they had this great sound together. The whole band was outrageous. I mean between Greg's vocals and Duane's guitar, they were intense.  These guys were totally together at the beginning. I mean this was way over my head in terms of having a tour bus and the big entourage, the road crew, the trucks, and stuff. I mean, it was a lot of pretty heavy stuff for me.

When was the Last Time You Got to See Duane?

 

Well I had spent a lot of the night before he was killed with him. It was at my place in New York. And I left that morning for Newfoundland where I had a concert to play. And he went back to Macon. And that night I got a call and was told. It just blew my mind. I was numb for a week. It was just unreal.

 

We were going to do a recording together. We had ideas but we hadn't fully explored them yet. We were talking the night before about the recording and blues songs. He had stories out the wazoo to tell (laughing). He was interested in it seemed like, all aspects of blues and rock and roll, R&B. He was a sponge. He soaked it all up and he knew what to do with it.

 

I imagine he would probably be producing albums today if he had lived. He was multifaceted. He was aware of how to make records as well as how to play. He was a trove of information and ideas. He was a live wire! He was so multifaceted that I didn't see him as a conservative guy in any way. He was enthusiastic about everything, about life, about music, about traveling, family. I mean, he was just an all-around guy. He was heavy duty. He was a good friend to me, and he was a guy who I admired. So you know, whenever I think about things like that, his name just like springs to mind.

John Hammond

In Conclusion:

 

John Hammond was a very generous person and spent considerable time sharing stories with me on the day of the interview in 2000. He continues to inspire many to this day.

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